»Will there be a seventh cycle/anomaly?«

I would like to hear your theories and opinions about this...

Here is mine:

The five Ones before Neo all inserted their code into the Source. With this insertion a new equation emerges. Inserting code into the Source is about the same as being deleted ("return to the Source").
When the code of the One is inserted/deleted the negative One looses his anomaly-powers, because he has copied code from the One. See my elaborate explanation on this here:

i almost totally agree because it is very similar to my theory

the only part is that if neo's code is disseminated at the source then smiths is deleted as a matter of course

i dont agree with that because in computer terms it doesnt work

as i have explained in "cnfronting the anomaly"

good explanation though

cheers

Neo would have been dead after the end of the first movie if it weren't for Trinity. Maybe she's the reason why Neo causes that 'reaction' in Smith. Maybe if it weren't for Trinity Smith's powers would not have come about?

Fatpie42 wrote:

Neo would have been dead after the end of the first movie if it weren't for Trinity. Maybe she's the reason why Neo causes that 'reaction' in Smith. Maybe if it weren't for Trinity Smith's powers would not have come about?

Yes that could very well be true. The 'sickness' of love changed everything in this sixth cycle.
Maybe the previous anomalies only kicked the agents' asses. Or maybe they also destoyed the agent. But those agents complied to the rules and returned to the Source. Maybe Smith is frustrated/fascinated about Neo getting up after being 100% shot dead. He cannot let this go and he returns as an exile.

the anomaly wrote:

the only part is that if neo's code is disseminated at the source then smiths is deleted as a matter of course i dont agree with that because in computer terms it doesnt work

It depends...
Smith says: "something overwritten OR copied..."
If it was overwritten then the anomaly-code became a part of his program as a whole.
But if it was copied, the code was an ADDITION to Smith's normal program-code. An addition can be taken away from him again with the deletion of the anomaly-code at the Source. He then would just return into being the original Smith.

I have been thinking and I think I now know how it happens...

The Architect says: "a temporary insertion of the code you carry" and "the anomaly is revealed as both beginning and end"

When Neo inserts his code into the Source a new equation is emerged. Then Neo gets his code back and becomes a 'normal' rebel without any special powers within the Matrix. This is because a new equation has been initiated and within this new equation Neo's code is no longer an anomaly-code. The new anomaly-code (which will probably will come in about 100 years later) will be totally different, because the new equation is different.
Smith has Neo's code, so he carries the same anomaly-code. Just like as with Neo this code has become useless within the new equation. So Smith can no longer copy himself.
The agents will not be chasing much rebels, because Zion is destroyed and Neo is going to build a new army of rebels slowly.
So in the first month or so they can concentrate on getting rid of the Smiths. When Neo went to the Architect, Smith's army was still acceptable: about a few hundred or so. The regular agents can just shoot them done one by one. Or maybe Smith feels so miserable about failing, that he will return to the Source at his own will.

I am probably in the minority here, but I feel that there will not be another One because in my view, the TRUE purpose of The One has finally been saticfied. The Prophecy, which ended up being true, states that the purpose of The One is to END the war.

This is exactly what Mr Anderson's incarnation of The One did. He brought about the END of the war via a peace accord with The Machines. The Machines still have their source of power, while the humans that want to come out (the ones who come to realize the truth), are let out.

It seems as though everyone is saying that there will be another One because they are taking what The Architect said in his Reloaded speech at face-value. However, what he says is the One's purpose doesn't fall in line to what The Prophecy says is The One's purpose. Besides, The Oracle says in Revolutions that The Architect can't see past choice. He ASSUMES that the purpose of The One is to reinsert because this is all that he has seen happen previously.

Does reinsertion end the war? Yes and no. Yes - Zion's population is destroyed. The Machines win. No - The very same threat that The Machines conquered (Zion's population) eventually ends up raising it's ugly head yet again. So, the Architect's conclusion doesn't bring about THE end to the war. Instead, it brings about AN end to the war. This is not the final resolution.

So, in essence, ALL the previous Ones failed in saticfying their TRUE purpose as described within the Prophecy. Mr. Anderson's incarnation of The One finally did saticfy the Prophecy. He brought about THE end of the war via a peace accord.

Of course, this doesn't mean that another war won't start up in the future. If another war was to take place within The Matrix story, I don't feel that there will be another One. I feel that, Mr. Anderson's incarnation will return somehow. Not in body, but in spirit because I don't believe that he is TRULY dead.

Neo's body is now an empty shell, but his Ghost/Spirit/Soul may still be out there flying around somewhere and may come back to help the humans again if the need arises.

WitM

What is the matrix, you appear to express the exact same sentiments as me and Mobil Ave.!

Neither of us think that there will be another ONE. We also feel that there is no reason to think that a threat like Smith occurred every time a ONE appeared either. We certainly don't think that there was a huge reload of the matrix every time a ONE finished his business.
(Mobil Ave. will have to correct me if I did not express his view properly)

In my thread "Neo is Buddha" I have recently suggested an existentialist interpretation of Neo whereby he need not be alive at the end. In this view his sacrifice is made all the greater by the fact that he does not survive it.

What is the Matrix wrote:

I am probably in the minority here, but I feel that there will not be another One because in my view, the TRUE purpose of The One has finally been saticfied. The Prophecy, which ended up being true, states that the purpose of The One is to END the war.

i agree with you that there will not be another version of neo(different body or not)

but for different reason

i believe that the code was balanced by neo ans smith merging in revolutions

as for you saying the purpose of the "one" was fullfilled

this is not correct

here is the prophecy as morpheus tells it in m1

"when the matrix was first built there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted,to remake the matrix as he saw fit.when he died the oracle prophecised his return and that his coming would herald the destruction of the matrix.and the end of the war"

yes someone emerged that could remake the matrix as they saw fit but it was not neo...it was sati

yes the was was ended through neo's actions but only through choice of the machines

no the matrix was not destroyed(unless you count smith's conquering of the matrix as destroyed"

another quote this time from reloaded

"the prophecy was a lie,the one was never meant to end anything.it was all just another system of control"

the anomaly:

please comment this post of mine:

i read your post and once again i agree with the end but not the means

good stuff though

i however think that it has only been one version of the matrix that contained smith the way he was in revolutions

i dont think he was able to copy himself in previous version

i think THAT came about either as a result of the oracle getting bored of the cyclical nature of the matrix and then manipulating neo in a different was than his predeccessors in order to achieve a different outcome

or

the code itself,evolving in order to balance the equation for good

Very good addition Mr. Anomaly!

Thanks...it's good for this thread

the anomaly wrote:

"the prophecy was a lie,the one was never meant to end anything.it was all just another system of control"

Well, at least we are in agreement that there will not be another One. You do make good points concerning why you feel there will not be another, but the one quoted above was said by Neo when he had not yet realized/believed he was The One.

Since he didn't have that belief, logically, he is is going to say something like that. He thought it was a lie because he didn't believe it was true. Also, you could say that how Morpheus talked about The Prophecy actually took place:

Destruction of the matrix - Technically, the version of The Matrix in which the films take place was destroyed. It was completely replaced with a new version after Neo dispenced with Smith.

The end of the war - Neo brought an end to the war via a peace accord.

WitM

he did have the belief at this point...he was told by the oracle previous to this

"because your the one"

but the oracle was just another system of control

this was hinted at in the bench discussion from reloaded

neo:your a programme from the machine world...so is he(seraph)

then he says..."but if thats true then how do i know i can trust you"

the oracle replies..."it is a pickle...no doubt about it...bad news is you have way of knowing whether you can trust me or not...youll just have to make up your own damn mind"

he is then told by the architect what his purpose is

"the function of the one is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry,reinserting the prime programme"

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the anomaly wrote:

he did have the belief at this point...he was told by the oracle previous to this "because your the one" but the oracle was just another system of control this was hinted at in the bench discussion from reloaded neo:your a programme from the machine world...so is he(seraph) then he says..."but if thats true then how do i know i can trust you" the oracle replies..."it is a pickle...no doubt about it...bad news is you have way of knowing whether you can trust me or not...youll just have to make up your own damn mind" he is then told by the architect what his purpose is "the function of the one is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry,reinserting the prime programme"

But he didn't BELIEVE he was The One at that point (by this I am referencing Reloaded not Revolutions). He may have been told, but he had not yet come to BELIEVE it. He wasn't The One until he actually BELIEVED he was. He didn't BELIEVE until Revolutions.

The following is pretty much off the status-quo of the board because it takes the "Out-Side-of-the-Box" view. Some of it I just came up with as of this posting. It falls off the thread's topic, but it is in direct reply to the post I qouted above. Plus, it's a little long in relation to your post. Feel free to pick it apart.:

It could be that The Oracle isn't just another system of control. We really don't know FULLY about her to know if she is or isn't. It could be that she was introduced into The System strictly as a catalyst for the freedom of human-kind from The Matrix. She was, after all, the one who introduced choice into The Matrix acceptance process and it is this choice that results in the fact that not ALL minds accept The Matrix.

By the way, the words you quoted from The Oracle aren't exactly proof that she is part of the control system. Since choice is the rule, she can't come right out and say to Neo - "You can trust me because I'm really working on your side. Part of my purpose falls in line with what yours is - to end the war between The Machines and The Humans". She can't come out and say that because it's up to Neo make up his own damn mind. Plus, she really doesn't know. She believes.

Who know's, The Oracle may have been corruted at some point by the desire of the humans to be be free. More on that desire in the next paragraph. However, she was just part of the process. The other part of the process, the main part, is The One.

The One, I have come to believe, is an amalgamation of the deep down desire of EVERY connected human to be free. This desire floats around and builds up until it finds the right person to attach itself to. This person ends up being The One. Some of this desire could have also attached itself to The Oracle and "corrupted" her original purpose a bit.

I believe that the consensus is that her purpose was to study the human phyche. Via this purpose, she may have become more attached to the humans. This could have left her open to the desire that may be floating around out there. Hence, corruption.

This possible corruption could have given her the sight into what her purpose will become, the innitiation of the freedom of the human race or at least a certain percentage of freedom. That sight could have given her the knowledge (or should the word be instead, belief) that The One was to appear and also what The One is supposed to do. Hence, The Prophecy.

Of course, the above is just speculation and it only makes the slightest of sense if one looks Outside-of-the-Box. Meaning, if one doesn't take what The Architect said at face-value. Personally, I have chosen to NOT take what he said at face-value.

He ONLY knows what he has seen and experienced happen. Since he has seen The One choose the door to his left five previous times, he ASSUMES at one of those instances that this is The One's purpose. However, this isn't The One's TRUE purpose. The Architect didn't lie, but he didn't know the REAL truth because the door to his right was NEVER chosen by the previous Ones. Therfore he spouts off what he feels to be true.

WitM

What is the Matrix wrote:

But he didn't BELIEVE he was The One at that point (by this I am referencing Reloaded not Revolutions). He may have been told, but he had not yet come to BELIEVE it. He wasn't The One until he actually BELIEVED he was. He didn't BELIEVE until Revolutions.

i think that he believed he was the One at the end of M1. only, he didn't know WTF he was supposed to do. and when it's revealed to him, he fights against it (M2) and then when it all comes down to him or Smith, he figured it out. the Wachowski's have said that the Matrix Trilogy is about Birth (M1) Life (M2) and Death (M3), but i see it more as:

Discovery and Belief (M1)
Confusion and Rebellion (M2)
Understanding and Acceptance (M3)

as for if there will be another One? well...i think that the peace will be broken eventually by the humans. we can't help it. i've outlined why matrix-explained.com....

Grendy is right. Neo knew he was the One at the end of M1. He believed in himself then too. In Reloaded, he doesn't know what to do. Grendy, I completely agree in Birth, Life and Death and in the other one you made too. It makes complete sense. I too think that there will be another One. The matrix is still unbalanced. The choice aspect (99%, 1%) still exists. This is the situation which forms the `integral anomaly' which is the One. Maybe in the next version, the One will accept his destiny and choose to reload when the time comes. Maybe the peace will have been broken by the time the next One comes. Either way, the One will return.

I've did this before so i don't think i can do this again. Obviously there will be another one. The matrix had not ended, what makes you think that the anomaly mistake won't be made again?
The machines had kept neo's bones when morpheus wanted it back (according to mxo) so the question is why? Would they want to breed another ONE?
There is a reason, surely, it is not over.

Hey 7one, how ya doin?

I remember when we did this on mxo.

What I found and considered a possibility is that Neo WAS the Seventh One.

Why?

Because “after he died” (the first One) the Oracle prophesied. This defined his purpose and “threat to the system”, something that may have avoided him encountering the Architect beforehand. Also it is said that he freed the first of us… taught us the truth etc ~then died. The “others” encountered the Architect and Zion was destroyed.

I know this sets up lots of questions and we don’t really have a lot of info. However the occurrence of the first One does seem somewhat different and may well not have encountered the Architect. Don’t forget it’s the Oracle that brings the Prophetic, Guidance, Unbalancing and Dangerous game. And that seemed to have begun AFTER the First One died. Thus posing no knowledgeable “threat” and “measure of control” meaning the “others” the Architect mentioned may have been his successors.

As the code suggests: 777 triangulated

I think that Anomaly exists as long as the war goes on.If the war ends there no need of the anomaly any longer...

But as we know "Everything that has a begning has an end" the war will start again and The Oracle will give the prophecy once again.

So I think when the war starts again and zion is destroyed the anomaly will rise again..

I may be wrong...but this is what I think...

I think that the Architect has been very clear about that : the anomaly is caused by all the people who refuses the simulation and who are not freed.

AS long as they're freed, the system will be stable. But even now with the truce, there are plenty of people who can't be freed because the Zionnists cannot take everybody out in once.

So yes, the anomaly is still there, hence the Red eyed Agents and the flies (the Architect himself said the flies had the same pattern as the anomaly carried by Neo), etc.

The Architect said that because the only thing he understood was math.(I think Mobile_Ave discribed him as Math teacher in his Matrix 4 & BTW the story was really good Mobile..I liked it very much.. )
But as we know some things can not be explained with the Math point of view.For example love,choice,hope...etc.To him all these are illusions.

What I wanted to say was The Anomaly was not in control of the Architect.The Anomaly was intitially created(by the Oracle i must add) so that the human race will be freed some day.But the Architect had a better idea to keep it under control.

The only one in control of the Anomaly was the Oracle and she could stop it when ever she wants to.A mother knows more about her children/child than a father(in most cases that is)

apocryphe wrote:

So yes, the anomaly is still there, hence the Red eyed Agents and the flies (the Architect himself said the flies had the same pattern as the anomaly carried by Neo), etc.

The Architect said that about the flies? I'm sorry, I must have missed that part.

14515 wrote:

The Architect said that because the only thing he understood was math.

But did he say that? The Architect only understands math? Where are we getting these ideas. The speech indicates he understands quite a bit more than that.

The Architect didn't say anything like that but some one else did..

Oracle:Please... You and I may not be able to see beyond our own choices, but that man can't see past any choices.
Neo: Why not?
Oracle: He doesn't understand them - he can't. To him they are variables in an equation. One at a time each variable must be solved and countered. That's his purpose: to balance an equation.

The Architect saw everything as an equation.
And even if he did understand,I think it was only the surface that he understood he didn't understand this.

Rama-Kandra: No, it is a word. What matters is the connection the word implies.
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