»Machines taking over the world not possible if we had nukes«

Don't know if this has been discussed yet but if EMPs work so well on the machines in the Matrix, why didn't the nukes in the 2nd Renaissance disable them? I read that a single high altitude nuclear detonation had the potential to shut down the entire continental US.

The storyline in the Terminator trilogy is much more plausible. The way it is presented in the Animatrix doesn't make sense. Sure the machines were not affected by the "heat and radiation" of the nukes, but if they are used as EMP weapons...

yes, they could have been used as an emp weapon from high altitude, but either the humans did not consider this option or they did not want to risk a high dispersion of fallout, if you blow a nuke high in the atmosphere, it could get pick up by the jet stream and get carried all over the planet in a very short amount of time, and probably poison their cities all over the world


though it could be possible to 'fry' their circuits and processing units if they are not protected by a heat absorbent alloy

what i see is, that the machines have in 01 a giant database or harddrive in which to store individual AI of its citizens and various amounts of information, that is heavily protected from such attacks, they may even have several of these databases scattered around 01 or elsewhere

has anyone ever read the book Calculating God by Robert J. Sawyer?
it talks about various populations on different planets evolving to a point in their technology to after they pollute their planet and later try to clean it up, or if there is a natural disaster of some sort, they have uploaded their entire populations' minds in a type of 'matrix' database in giant computers that are protected or built like giant monuments, as either a warning to visiting aliens and to tell them they are here, even though the aliens can find no trace of life on the planet. it was believed in this book that all such species on various planets after reaching a point in there technological development must 'evolve' in this way to preserve their consciousness

but that is not all that the book is about

Yeah, I thought the machine rebellion as shown in Animatrix was lame. It was like "Spartacus": slaves rise up but this time around they win. Why would machines not be vulnerable to the heat and radiation of nukes, not to mention the shock waves and EMP? If the humans are willing to "scorch the sky" then I do not think they are going to care about some fallout here and there.

It goes back to a lack of imagination among the film makers. A much more logical AI rebellion would be that people become so dependent on their computers and the internet they can not unplug. Widescale use of virtual reality makes it impossible to find real reality. The transition to being stuck in the battery pods becomes gradual. The Matrix becomes an evolution. People do not wake up to what is going on until it is too late.

By the way, the lack of imagination in the film makers is a theme on which I keep harping. M1 was very imaginative. But then what happened in M2 and M3 and Animatrix? Did they run out of ideas? Did studio marketing take over? Did the Machine AI change the program on all of us?

Gnostic wrote:

Yeah, I thought the machine rebellion as shown in Animatrix was lame. It was like "Spartacus": slaves rise up but this time around they win.

I think that was the whole point, the whole of the second Ren mimicked parts of our history.

It's Allegorical

Gnostic wrote:

By the way, the lack of imagination in the film makers is a theme on which I keep harping. M1 was very imaginative. But then what happened in M2 and M3 and Animatrix? Did they run out of ideas?

Or maybe it is just as imaginative in M2 and M3 and its just too subtle for you?

Don't forget that the Wachowskis weren't responsible for making the animatrix - they simply acted a bit like producers, basically giving the anime directors freedom to do their own thing.

the w. bros wrote 4 or 5 of the animatrix shorts, the kid's story and the 2nd renaissance 1&2, and the final flight of the osiris, the rest were written by others